Public sentiment reflects deep sadness and frustration regarding the Ayodhya house explosion, primarily focused on grief for the loss of lives, accusations of systemic safety failures, government negligence, and a strong mistrust towards authorities. Many comments demand justice and highlight concerns over potential cover-ups, indicating a desire for accountability.

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The incident that led to what was known as Gujarat riots which Modi had no role.

LankyAcanthocephala3

ZykaVyka

So what? Only some Hindus died. But how dare you protest against Munawar Faruqi for joking on this issue?

gunslinger141

ChirpingSparrows

Today is also the death anniversary of Chandrasekar Azad ji

Om shanti 🪔🙏

wahbhaiwah98

On shanti one of the karsevak she was a sadhvi and was a close family on my mom side unfortunately she was on that train my mama went to identify her body he still recounts that day literally charred body parts remained couldn’t even identify her nurses. Peaceful religion my ass

raps_in6

Rana Ayyub said it was an "accident" in her new york post article, that happened to occur shortly atfter an "argument" between the "people on the platform" and "karsevaks"

No mention of why there was a mob on the platform, no mention that only 1 carriage was burnt with doors locked and fuel poured in, no mention that the "karsevaks" included women and children

edit:  found the garbage so you don't have to give them clicks:

&gt;n February 27, 2002, a passenger train stopped in Godhra, a city in Gujarat. It was coming from Ayodhya, where many of the passengers had gone to visit the site where Babri Masjid was destroyed, ten years earlier, and to advocate for building a temple there. Most of them belonged to the religious wing of the R.S.S., called the V.H.P.

&gt;While the train sat at the station, Hindu travellers and Muslims on the platform began to heckle one another. As the train pulled away, it stalled, and the taunting escalated. At some point, someone—possibly a Muslim vender with a stove—threw something on fire into one of the cars. The flame spread, and the passengers were trapped inside; when the door was finally pushed open, the rush of oxygen sparked a fireball. Some fifty-eight people suffocated or burned to death.

blues2911

And the media distorted it into making it look like a Muslim genocide of sorts

ryousuke_sama

Capital_Policy_266

Can't you just mention 56 innocents? Or men's lives are taken for granted?

I know it's irrelevant to this issue, but why?

Mysteryman1406

This led to a large fight killing a few thousands on both sides and then the actual reason for the reaction  was so whitewashed that western media supported by anti-india forces made it look like a massacre of "peaceful people"...  And modi got blamed.  Opposition even today uses this against him and the party.

Savages Islamaists how this is religion of peace killing children and women how even their god ok with it.

a-thang

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And Rana Ayyub wrote in her Washington post article on Modi that "there was an argument between hindu right wingers (she didn't mention there were women and children in the train) and muslims on the platform, during which a kerosene lamp fell over and the carriage caught fire," Haan Bsdk and the kerosene lamp locked the doors of the carriage as well right?

edit: sorry, new yorker not wapo. and here is the exerpt, which makes it look totally like an accident. And yes she doesn't mention that the train had women and children. I geniunely can't believe you're allowed to blatantly lie like this
 
&gt; While the train sat at the station, Hindu travellers and Muslims on the platform began to heckle one another. As the train pulled away, it stalled, and the taunting escalated. At some point, someone—possibly a Muslim vender with a stove—threw something on fire into one of the cars. The flame spread, and the passengers were trapped inside; when the door was finally pushed open, the rush of oxygen sparked a fireball. Some fifty-eight people suffocated or burned to death. As word of the disaster spread, the state government allowed members of the V.H.P. to parade the burned corpses through Ahmedabad, the state’s largest city. Hindus, enraged by the display, began rampaging and attacking Muslims across the state.

Couldn’t find even a mention of this in the another sub. India is so much divided now based on the ideology

abhi32892

#Congress And Liberal Ecosystem had labelled it an "accident"

Godhra: 59 humans, 10 of them children, were burnt alive in a train when Islamic terrorists from Godhra set on fire the bogey containing karsevaks returning from the inauguration of the Vishwa Hindu Parishad's 100-day 'Purnahuti Maha Yagna' in Ayodhya. Congress affiliate councillor Farooq Bhana, the key conspirator of the massacre was convicted 14 years after he hatched conspiracy with others to burn the S6 coach of the train at Godhra Railway Station on February 27, 2002. Conspiracy which involved stacking of petrol from the previous night, gathering Muslims in 5 min with huge cache of weapons and announcement from a nearby mosque.

&gt;**The court agreed with the prosecution case that the perpetrators had collected the stocks of petrol the previous night,** after the meeting at Aman Guest House.

&gt;**Had petrol not been kept ready in loose form in carboys the previous night near Aman Guest House, “it would not have been possible to reach with carboys containing petrol in a huge quantity immediately, that is within 5 to 10 minutes, near coach S-6,” the court observed.**

&gt;**The court found a ‘pre-planned conspiracy’ to target the Hindu pilgrims because otherwise “it would not have been possible to gather Muslim persons with deadly weapons within five to six minutes and reach near “A” cabin on the railway track” after the train was made to stop by chain pulling a second time.**

&gt;**The court further observed that the attack was not a random attack on S-6, but was specifically targeted at the kar sevaks returning from Ayodhya.**

&gt;“Shouting of slogans by the assailants and announcement over a loudspeaker from a nearby mosque also clearly suggest motive and pre-plan,” it noted.

https://swarajyamag.com/news-brief/for-godhra-it-wasnt-first-case-of-burning-alive-hindu-community-members-the-event-that-triggered-2002-riots

https://www.firstpost.com/india/accused-of-burning-sabarmati-express-farooq-bhana-imran-sheru-given-life-sentence-by-gujarat-hc-incident-led-to-2002-godhra-riots-5059231.html

DarthJar-Binks

Every Riot against Hindus is always planned with inherent support from Congress &amp; Commies !!

Junior-Woodpecker-48

Slippery_Spirit

History of Godhra:

&gt;•1948- 2000 hindus shops were buπnt to save remaining area, Curfew last for 6 months.
•1965- Shops belongs to Hindus were burnt
•1980- 5 Hindus including 2 children buπt alive by MusIims Miscreants 
Gurudwara and 40 shops of Hindus were set on fiπe. Curfew last for 1 year
•1990- 4 Hindu Teacher and 1 tailor were çut into pi¢ce in front of children
•1992- 100+ Houses were buπnt to snatch away the area

https://twitter.com/Saumya_miishra/status/1365578520907276292

I think we may not have access to enough dimension to make that decision. Lord Ram (given his powers) may have access to Lord Vishnu (higher dimension). So once he realized he has achieved his purpose then the decision to take Jal Samadhi would be reasonable given that he is just moving from one dimension to higher dimension.

Us normal folks don't even know if an higher dimension exists and what will be our goal there. For all we know is that we may immediately be sent back to current dimension to run on FIRE train again. Given this simply enjoying FIRE and letting destiny decide our end for us is the best course of action for us.

\&gt; Interesting concept from a FIRE perspective if you could decide your time of death and plan accordingly?

I think knowing time of death will sort of be detrimental for us. I usually get nervous just by thinking about small deadlines, the ultimate one will drive me insane.

General_Price9665

Training_Plastic5306

"..believed to have taken jal samadhi"  may be the proper usage.

OnnuPodappa

What a read. Just over and over again: “*the protective measures in place were turned off/inactive/not used*”

NOOBEv14

I remember that. The photos in the papers were horrific. Dead people and animals everywhere, bloating in the sun. Those people didn't have a chance, it was so toxic

yblame

Ghulam Dastagir, deputy station master at Bhopal railway station, saved thousands of lives by giving the order for a train that was stopped there to leave early by 15 minutes, and by alerting nearby railway stations to stop all trains coming to Bhopal.

Edit: Even though 20+ of his colleagues died at the railway station, Dastagir survived. He died in 2003 due to complications brought on by his exposure to the deadly gas.

MialoKoukoutsi

The pressure in tank E610, although initially nominal at 2 psi at 10:30 p.m., it had reached 10 psi by 11 p.m. Two different senior refinery employees assumed the reading was instrumentation malfunction. By 11:30 p.m., workers in the MIC area were feeling the effects of minor exposure to MIC gas, and began to look for a leak. One was found by 11:45 p.m., and reported to the MIC supervisor on duty at the time. The decision was made to address the problem after a 12:15 a.m. tea break, and in the meantime, employees were instructed to continue looking for leaks. The problem was discussed by MIC area employees during the break.[19]

In the five minutes after the tea break ended at 12:40 a.m., the reaction in tank E610 reached a critical state at an alarming speed. Temperatures in the tank were off the scale, maxed out beyond 25 °C (77 °F), and the pressure in the tank was indicated at 40 psi (275.8 kPa). One employee witnessed a concrete slab above tank E610 crack as the emergency relief valve burst open, and pressure in the tank continued to increase to 55 psi (379.2 kPa); this despite the fact that atmospheric venting of toxic MIC gas had already begun.[19] Direct atmospheric venting should have been prevented or at least partially mitigated by at least three safety devices which were malfunctioning, not in use, insufficiently sized or otherwise rendered inoperable:

mankls3

We studied about Bhopal disaster in our Safety class for Chemical Engineering, and the one thing that stayed with me from what my lecturer said was:

 "usually bad luck or stupidity alone wont cause disasters, but stupidity + bad luck will, and you can control the stupidity part" 

This will forever remain in my heart in my work life to follow OSHA regulations and just dont be an idiot in general when dealing with hazardous substances

DeltaKaze

"In June 2010, seven Indian nationals who were UCIL employees in 1984, including the former UCIL chairman, were convicted in Bhopal of causing death by negligence and sentenced to two years imprisonment and a fine of about $2,000 each, the maximum punishment allowed by [Indian law](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_India). All were released on bail shortly after the verdict."   

Well that's depressing.

cheesehuahuas

There's [a great video by Joe Scott](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwNrLtU2x2w) that goes into the causes of the disaster and everything that went wrong, very interesting watch.

Pepf

[A photo showing the burial of a little girl that died during the disaster](https://www.worldpressphoto.org/collection/photo-contest/1985/pablo-bartholomew/1) (**NSFW** because it's a close-up of a dead child) won the World Press Photo award 1985.

montanunion

There was another leak of this chemical near my school in Middleport, NY when I was 7 years old. We all had to be evacuated but only after we had been exposed. Several of us developed health issues afterwards. If it had been a few degrees F warmer that day, we all would have died. Several months later, the Bhopal disaster happened. 

https://www.nytimes.com/1985/03/09/nyregion/village-s-heartbeat-a-chemical-plant-raises-fears.html

“…But the village's support for the plant has been tested since Nov. 15. As the second period began at the elementary school, a plastic plug at the plant dissolved. About 40 gallons of what was identified as methyl isocyanate leaked. Wind drove the chemical fumes over the elementary school, about 1,000 yards away. Although the school was quickly evacuated, nine students and two teachers were injured seriously enough to require treatment in a local hospital. To most parents and administrators, who had little idea of the dangers posed by the chemical, the incident seemed minor.

But many parents became more concerned after they learned that the Bhopal disaster the following month was caused by the same chemical. The State Department of Environmental Protection investigated the local spill and fined FMC $5,000.

That seemed to ease concern. But after a 10-week investigation, the Federal Occupational Safety and Health Administration charged that the plant had violated safety standards for venting procedures and personnel training.

The agency also said the plant would not be able to stop an uncontrolled leak of methyl isocyanate. Although it stressed that the chances of a Bhopal-type disaster were ''extremely remote,'' it did disclose that there had been five leaks of methyl isocyanate at FMC since 1982.”

BuffaloBiologist

Relevant [Well There's Your Problem](https://youtu.be/vCKVreNqMjI).

ShiningRayde

This was India's Chernobyl. There are still babies born with birth defects because of this.

VeniVidiVagene

Aurora_fox15

They Knew Which Way to Run is a great podcast about the Bhopal disaster. One host is a niece of survivors who talked to her relatives and the other is a friend who did the research. A great in-depth mini series. Also, Behind the Bastards did an episode on Bhopal, not as in-depth but did cover some legal aspects the other podcast didn’t.

azorianmilk

A kind-of similar incident happened in Seveso, italy in 1976 which lead to standardized industrial safety regulations.

I work in the chemical industry and we have safety drills regularly. Scary when you read what may happen if x accident happens. I like that job but sometimes '*chuckles* I'm in danger' describes my workplace the best.

Edit: I underestimated the death toll of the Bhopal incident. By a lot. I apologize.

cookie_powers

What is appalling is the plant was using its workers as leak detectors. WTF.

&gt;About 11:30 P.M., workers in the methyl isocyanate area said, they realized that there was a methyl isocyanate leak somewhere: Their eyes began to tear. **Detecting leaks by the effect of the gas on the eyes was standard procedure at the plant**, and at least one leak a month was detected this way at the plant, they said. ''We were human leak detectors,'' Mr. Dey said. The practice violated procedures laid out in the technical manual. 

https://www.nytimes.com/1985/01/30/world/the-disaster-in-bhopal-workers-recall-horror.html

Arcturion

Are you in my college class? Literally learning about this disaster this week.

AirBoss87

Read further and you'll find out how the indian govt at the time did its very best to help the culprits get away and did finally got away and the people haven't gotten their compensation as yet.

GrBBabu

Plainly Difficult on YouTube has an excellent video on the disaster.
Edit: https://youtu.be/-hUxx8ZVDgQ

ElmerFapp

Damn, the 80’s were wilder than the middle ages.

HybridAkali

I've grown up in Bhopal and all my life I have heard the horror stories of that night.

Even to this day there are people born with genetic issues because their parents or grandparents lived near the contaminated area.. In fact, a LOT of people died due to COVID here since their lungs were already weakened because of Methyl Isocynate and couldn't deal with the virus.

It was a shitshow that still claims lives to this day, decades later

EDIT: If you can find it, I would recommend reading the book "5 past midnight in Bhopal". It was without a doubt one of the most chilling accounts of a tragedy I've ever read.

vpsj

It passes me off that this is referred to as the "Bhopal disaster" and not the "Union Carbide" disaster.

Also the title is heavily misleading as the fault should absolutely be placed on Union Carbide who cut funding and ignored safety protocols to save money which directly led to this disaster.

Boboar

I just listened to the Behind the Bastards on this yesterday. The number of things that had to go wrong for that disaster to happen was ridiculous, but the plant was so poorly run and maintained that it became inevitable.

RobertoPaulson

&gt;Estimates vary on the death toll. The official immediate death toll was 2,259. In 2008, the Government of Madhya Pradesh had paid compensation to the family members of 3,787 victims killed in the gas release, and to 574,366 injured victims


You'd think you'd hear more about this 9/11ish sized disaster that happened relatively recently (1984 wasn't that long ago).

SirOutrageous1027

The Swindled Podcast did an episode on this. Just terrible to hear the stories of the few survivors.

theeversocharming

My uncle was one of the admin staff members who was at work in the government computer office in the city during the disaster (Indian government still exclusively used mainframes back in 1984), working with incoming casualty data and generating live reports for government.

He still faces health issues from staying there during the disaster to this day.

I travelled to Bhopal earlier this year. This local population is not a exactly a big fan of how any aspect of this tragedy was handled.

fixano

I found the book Set Phasers to Stun in a thrift store. Awesome read for even a non reader like myself which covers this disaster and many others. It's meant for designers of systems that people interact with and details how accidents happen as a result of multiple safeguards either being ignored, not working properly, or systems that are poorly designed. It's usually a combination of these types of errors.

Y'all please check out the Remember Bhopal Museum that tries to keep the memory of the survivors alive and keeps first person accounts of survivors of the tragedy.

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